67 Panel.....finally finished
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I'll have to look into both.
Thanks for the tip, FC, and for comments about my Panel.
I do like my bus but you are right.....it could do with a few more horsies.
Even 100hp would help although I'm sure the 1641cc will make it more tractable.
Having said that I was chatting with the missus the other day and she said once I've done the '55 11-Window the Panel is hers.
I'm fine with that.
I thought about putting the ej25 in it and since it'll already cost a bit in insurance (although Shannons are great) a turbo won't make any difference.
As such I'm going to try and pick up one the 2.5l turbo Subie motors from the more recent WRX.
More grunt.
I've pretty much decided it's going to get a roll cage and racing buckets and the like.
It just has to have 6 seats so the family will fit in it.
I'd like to fit a rock'n'roll bed in it but with that much power I reckon I might try and build one of those teardrop caravans instead.
The signwriter who did my Panel made one up using aluminium sheeting for the roof and plywood sides.
He also used a wire brush on a cordless drill to put a sort of jewelled finish on the ally.
I'll have to make mine nice and long to fit my long legs in but aside of that is should be pretty similar.
Looking at the one in VWMA this month it seemed pretty straight forward.
Actually I hope he's at the Nats.
I'd like a closer look at that little caravan.
If it was light enough maybe the '67 could tow one.
Thanks for the tip, FC, and for comments about my Panel.
I do like my bus but you are right.....it could do with a few more horsies.
Even 100hp would help although I'm sure the 1641cc will make it more tractable.
Having said that I was chatting with the missus the other day and she said once I've done the '55 11-Window the Panel is hers.
I'm fine with that.
I thought about putting the ej25 in it and since it'll already cost a bit in insurance (although Shannons are great) a turbo won't make any difference.
As such I'm going to try and pick up one the 2.5l turbo Subie motors from the more recent WRX.
More grunt.
I've pretty much decided it's going to get a roll cage and racing buckets and the like.
It just has to have 6 seats so the family will fit in it.
I'd like to fit a rock'n'roll bed in it but with that much power I reckon I might try and build one of those teardrop caravans instead.
The signwriter who did my Panel made one up using aluminium sheeting for the roof and plywood sides.
He also used a wire brush on a cordless drill to put a sort of jewelled finish on the ally.
I'll have to make mine nice and long to fit my long legs in but aside of that is should be pretty similar.
Looking at the one in VWMA this month it seemed pretty straight forward.
Actually I hope he's at the Nats.
I'd like a closer look at that little caravan.
If it was light enough maybe the '67 could tow one.
Cheers & God Bless
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That'd be cool, Dion.
I'll chuck it in the Panel and bring it up with me and we can make arrangements.
BTW, a friend gave me an old pair of Beetle drums, one pre-54 and the other a '56, on some stub axles.
He also has a square tube axle with flanges either end and some leaf springs to suit that he's going to give me as well.
Should be perfect as a basis for a teardrop caravan/camper trailer.
I'll chuck it in the Panel and bring it up with me and we can make arrangements.
BTW, a friend gave me an old pair of Beetle drums, one pre-54 and the other a '56, on some stub axles.
He also has a square tube axle with flanges either end and some leaf springs to suit that he's going to give me as well.
Should be perfect as a basis for a teardrop caravan/camper trailer.
Cheers & God Bless
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Well, as usual my life with the split has it's ups and downs.
Unfortunately the last few weeks have to rate as a large number of downs.
The Panel was running like complete rubbish and I knew at the Nats that it was well time for it to get a top end rebuild so when it really began to give up the ghost I wasn't surprised.
Marty kindly dropped through one morning on his way to Sydney to find out what the problem was.
Turned out No1 spark plug was fouling horribly and even just cleaning it a bit made the car run 100 times better.
The accelerator cable had also slipped so it was only at half throttle when I put my foot flat.
Marty recommended I change the plugs and then take it to Sydney as soon as I could so Steve to could do the top end rebuild.
I did so and the effect was staggering.
My brother was down from Sydney with his family and I took the bus to Sydney that night with my brother driving behind in case everything went wrong.
I sat on at least 115kmh most of the way and my brother was very surprised at how well the Panel drove.
So was I.....it was like old times.
I swapped Nathan for a borrowed Golf and took it home and Steve got underway with the top end rebuild.
Unfortunately 87mm piston & barrel kits were no where to be found so he fitted a set of standard 85.5mm piston, rings and barrels.
All 4 exhaust valves were also replaced and the valves seats sorted.
Steve also match ported the carbs and manifolds and spent many hours playing with the mix which had been way to rich before and contributed to the fouling on the plugs.
He also resolved all of the oil leaks both in the engine bay and under the motor that had caused a fine covering of oil over the back of the Panel and a thick layer inside the engine bay.
Basically everything apart from splitting case was done and thoroughly checked.
A new exhaust system was also fitted.
Steve retained the 4-into-1 collector of my extractors but fitted a new outlet that split into 2 small 12" mufflers that run along under the bumper on each side and then turn to stick out the back at each end.
It's a really cool look.
And finally he fitted the original speedo that VDO in Newcastle had rebuilt only a few weeks back.
Big cudos to Dion on that one.
Not only did he drop it in, he told the guys to use the parts for his OWN speedo while other parts from his were on back order.
Then he picked it up and even freighted it to Steve for installation.
I owe you a biggie, mate!
I'll post some pics of the exhaust and speedo as soon as I can.
So, when I picked up the Panel a week before the school hols I was really excited about having it running well again.
I do have to go and learn things the hard way.......
I'd like to introduce you to the meaning of a particular term in car circles.......idiot light.
Yup - that means if it's on even an idiot knows you stop the car IMMEDIATELY and call for help.
I knew that and even still I ventured on believing that the oil pressure idiot light in my split was an eletrical fault.......it wasn't.
So, 68km from home between Exeter and the Hume Hwy, with 3 kids, a baby, the missus and a car full of holiday clothes and paraphenalia, the Split suddenly lurched, made a noise like a box of hammers falling down stairs and I shoved the clutch in and pulled over......like I should've about 5kms before.
I have NRMA Gold Cover and that entitles you to be towed 50km free or, if you are 100km from home, to you choice of repairer.
I was 68km from home and that meant I had no choice - either it went home, cost extra money and didn't get looked at until I could get it to Kombi Rescue myself, or I just forked out the dosh and had the tilt tray guys do it.
I paid the significantly larger sum and it went straight to Steve.
He stripped the motor and pronounced the diagnosis.
For some reason which still has us all stumped oil stopped getting to the bottom end of the motor.
It had nothing to do with the relief valves or oil galleries and the pump and filter and cooler are fine.
But as a result No3 rod heated up, tried to weld itself to the crank, then bent and it's odd shape caused it to take bits out of the case ribs.
When Steve bolted the case together and torqued it up I watched him wiggle a large feeler gauge through the rear main and the 2nd journal.
Basically the case, crank and rods were buggered.
I'm going to state now that Steve is not responsible for any of these things and since we can't find the reason when the case is split it's a dead cert he wouldn't have been able to spot them with it together.
Nor was there any reason to believe it would die like this.
The truth was this was a 2nd hand motor that sat for 7 years on my garage floor and for 12 months did proud service as a daily driver in all applications.
At the end of the day that's more than you can hope for in any 2nd hand motor.
There is a silver lining to this story.
Despite the cataclysmic failure of the bottom end the cam, lifters pushrods, heads, valves and other components are fine.
More importantly the new pistons, rings and barrels that had only done about 500km are also fine.
Even the plugs are still good.
And when Steve pulled the heads the valves showed the right colouration that reflected his mix had been perfect.
At least that's a head start.
So now, with a replacement case, crank and rods, I'm getting a full rebuild.
In hindsight if we used the original case and done a full rebuild the same thing may well have happened and the cost would've ended up much more.
The only thing this situation has made us decide is that we need a more modern 6 seater as a 2nd car.
The sad truth is the Panel is 42 years old and even with all the mods it's had it wasn't really designed to do everything we do without paying a price and 1600cc motors, as great as they are, are getting older.
Now all I have to do is try and find a REALLY low mileage T3 Syncro....oh, and money to buy it!
On a closing note, a MASSIVE thanks has to go to Scott (kom123) for the use of his Golf.
Without it we would really be stranded.
Unfortunately the last few weeks have to rate as a large number of downs.
The Panel was running like complete rubbish and I knew at the Nats that it was well time for it to get a top end rebuild so when it really began to give up the ghost I wasn't surprised.
Marty kindly dropped through one morning on his way to Sydney to find out what the problem was.
Turned out No1 spark plug was fouling horribly and even just cleaning it a bit made the car run 100 times better.
The accelerator cable had also slipped so it was only at half throttle when I put my foot flat.
Marty recommended I change the plugs and then take it to Sydney as soon as I could so Steve to could do the top end rebuild.
I did so and the effect was staggering.
My brother was down from Sydney with his family and I took the bus to Sydney that night with my brother driving behind in case everything went wrong.
I sat on at least 115kmh most of the way and my brother was very surprised at how well the Panel drove.
So was I.....it was like old times.
I swapped Nathan for a borrowed Golf and took it home and Steve got underway with the top end rebuild.
Unfortunately 87mm piston & barrel kits were no where to be found so he fitted a set of standard 85.5mm piston, rings and barrels.
All 4 exhaust valves were also replaced and the valves seats sorted.
Steve also match ported the carbs and manifolds and spent many hours playing with the mix which had been way to rich before and contributed to the fouling on the plugs.
He also resolved all of the oil leaks both in the engine bay and under the motor that had caused a fine covering of oil over the back of the Panel and a thick layer inside the engine bay.
Basically everything apart from splitting case was done and thoroughly checked.
A new exhaust system was also fitted.
Steve retained the 4-into-1 collector of my extractors but fitted a new outlet that split into 2 small 12" mufflers that run along under the bumper on each side and then turn to stick out the back at each end.
It's a really cool look.
And finally he fitted the original speedo that VDO in Newcastle had rebuilt only a few weeks back.
Big cudos to Dion on that one.
Not only did he drop it in, he told the guys to use the parts for his OWN speedo while other parts from his were on back order.
Then he picked it up and even freighted it to Steve for installation.
I owe you a biggie, mate!
I'll post some pics of the exhaust and speedo as soon as I can.
So, when I picked up the Panel a week before the school hols I was really excited about having it running well again.
I do have to go and learn things the hard way.......
I'd like to introduce you to the meaning of a particular term in car circles.......idiot light.
Yup - that means if it's on even an idiot knows you stop the car IMMEDIATELY and call for help.
I knew that and even still I ventured on believing that the oil pressure idiot light in my split was an eletrical fault.......it wasn't.
So, 68km from home between Exeter and the Hume Hwy, with 3 kids, a baby, the missus and a car full of holiday clothes and paraphenalia, the Split suddenly lurched, made a noise like a box of hammers falling down stairs and I shoved the clutch in and pulled over......like I should've about 5kms before.
I have NRMA Gold Cover and that entitles you to be towed 50km free or, if you are 100km from home, to you choice of repairer.
I was 68km from home and that meant I had no choice - either it went home, cost extra money and didn't get looked at until I could get it to Kombi Rescue myself, or I just forked out the dosh and had the tilt tray guys do it.
I paid the significantly larger sum and it went straight to Steve.
He stripped the motor and pronounced the diagnosis.
For some reason which still has us all stumped oil stopped getting to the bottom end of the motor.
It had nothing to do with the relief valves or oil galleries and the pump and filter and cooler are fine.
But as a result No3 rod heated up, tried to weld itself to the crank, then bent and it's odd shape caused it to take bits out of the case ribs.
When Steve bolted the case together and torqued it up I watched him wiggle a large feeler gauge through the rear main and the 2nd journal.
Basically the case, crank and rods were buggered.
I'm going to state now that Steve is not responsible for any of these things and since we can't find the reason when the case is split it's a dead cert he wouldn't have been able to spot them with it together.
Nor was there any reason to believe it would die like this.
The truth was this was a 2nd hand motor that sat for 7 years on my garage floor and for 12 months did proud service as a daily driver in all applications.
At the end of the day that's more than you can hope for in any 2nd hand motor.
There is a silver lining to this story.
Despite the cataclysmic failure of the bottom end the cam, lifters pushrods, heads, valves and other components are fine.
More importantly the new pistons, rings and barrels that had only done about 500km are also fine.
Even the plugs are still good.
And when Steve pulled the heads the valves showed the right colouration that reflected his mix had been perfect.
At least that's a head start.
So now, with a replacement case, crank and rods, I'm getting a full rebuild.
In hindsight if we used the original case and done a full rebuild the same thing may well have happened and the cost would've ended up much more.
The only thing this situation has made us decide is that we need a more modern 6 seater as a 2nd car.
The sad truth is the Panel is 42 years old and even with all the mods it's had it wasn't really designed to do everything we do without paying a price and 1600cc motors, as great as they are, are getting older.
Now all I have to do is try and find a REALLY low mileage T3 Syncro....oh, and money to buy it!
On a closing note, a MASSIVE thanks has to go to Scott (kom123) for the use of his Golf.
Without it we would really be stranded.
Cheers & God Bless
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You're right, Klaus.
No one was hurt and it can all be fixed.
It's just that some other crap was going down at the same time and, well, the timing sucked.
But, as Dion said, it'll be a new motor soon and will be driving well.
I'm actually beginning to think about the '55 a LOT.
Check out the thread on it for more details.
No one was hurt and it can all be fixed.
It's just that some other crap was going down at the same time and, well, the timing sucked.
But, as Dion said, it'll be a new motor soon and will be driving well.
I'm actually beginning to think about the '55 a LOT.
Check out the thread on it for more details.
Cheers & God Bless
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After a few weeks letting Steve do his magic I got a call mid last week from him to say the new motor was ready.
He'd made veiled hints throughout the week before that he had a surprise for me and Warb and Coupons and others knew but they weren't letting on.
So I turned up and was told to take it for a drive.
The difference was immediately apparent; more punch in 1st and 2nd and definite torque in 3rd and 4th.
Then I got the engine specs:
We did have some teething problems as it wasn't immediately obvious the coil and fuel pump needed replacing but once this was sorted it ran beautifully.
I live in Goulburn and the trip to Sydney is an easy one for the most part.
Most of it is down hill and with the old 1600cc it sat comfortably between 70mph & 75mph the entire way.
I was only saying to Steve and Nathan yesterday that the Split runs so well to Sydney because it thinks it's heading for Kombi Rescue.
The trip home, OTOH, is not so great.
There are some long hills; Catherine Hill before the Mittagong turn off and the long hill after the turn off plus a nasty little hill up to the Wingello turn off and another not long before the first Goulburn turnoff.
The strength of the new motor is not just that it has more torque across the rev range but that it revs out to 4500rpm with ease.
In places where I hit hills at 75mph with the 1600 and the Split tapered off and even dropping to 3rd couldn't muster more than 55 to 60 mph the new motor in 3rd pulls all the way up to 70mph before shifting up to 4th.
More to the point it managed all of that with 2 adults, 4 kids and a bootload of stuff.
With only me onboard and a long flat stretch it would be interesting to see how quick it could get going although the 80mph speedo sorta makes it difficult to tell.
So a huge vote of thanks to Steve who really pulled a rabbit out of his hat putting this motor together for me.
It was worth the wait.
And if you're interested in how it sounds ask Goran.
He was there when Steve was revving it out to 6,000rpm while tuning it.
It sounds FINE!!
Actually, between the new motor, rebuilt speedo and some other things that were rectified before the big end went the Kombi has never been as good as it is now.
I'd also like to thank Warb and Adrian and his lovely wife and daughters for patiently waiting for us so we could begin our preparations for Old Bar.
But that's another story........
He'd made veiled hints throughout the week before that he had a surprise for me and Warb and Coupons and others knew but they weren't letting on.
So I turned up and was told to take it for a drive.
The difference was immediately apparent; more punch in 1st and 2nd and definite torque in 3rd and 4th.
Then I got the engine specs:
- - 1976 Beetle case w/ 8mm headstuds lined bored & machined to 90.5mm
- near new 90.5mm pistons & barrels with new rings
- Standard crank w/ new main bearings & seal
- Standard conrods w/ new bearings
- super low-mileage Engle 110 cam w/ new bearings
- new lifters
- new full flow oil pump
- new pushrod tubes
- standard rockers & pushrods
- Heavy duty single valve springs
- new high temp spark plugs
- heads semi-hemi'd, ported, de-shrouded and opened to 90.5mm
- 8.1:1 compression
- carbs rejetted
- new coil
- new fuel pump
We did have some teething problems as it wasn't immediately obvious the coil and fuel pump needed replacing but once this was sorted it ran beautifully.
I live in Goulburn and the trip to Sydney is an easy one for the most part.
Most of it is down hill and with the old 1600cc it sat comfortably between 70mph & 75mph the entire way.
I was only saying to Steve and Nathan yesterday that the Split runs so well to Sydney because it thinks it's heading for Kombi Rescue.
The trip home, OTOH, is not so great.
There are some long hills; Catherine Hill before the Mittagong turn off and the long hill after the turn off plus a nasty little hill up to the Wingello turn off and another not long before the first Goulburn turnoff.
The strength of the new motor is not just that it has more torque across the rev range but that it revs out to 4500rpm with ease.
In places where I hit hills at 75mph with the 1600 and the Split tapered off and even dropping to 3rd couldn't muster more than 55 to 60 mph the new motor in 3rd pulls all the way up to 70mph before shifting up to 4th.
More to the point it managed all of that with 2 adults, 4 kids and a bootload of stuff.
With only me onboard and a long flat stretch it would be interesting to see how quick it could get going although the 80mph speedo sorta makes it difficult to tell.
So a huge vote of thanks to Steve who really pulled a rabbit out of his hat putting this motor together for me.
It was worth the wait.
And if you're interested in how it sounds ask Goran.
He was there when Steve was revving it out to 6,000rpm while tuning it.
It sounds FINE!!
Actually, between the new motor, rebuilt speedo and some other things that were rectified before the big end went the Kombi has never been as good as it is now.
I'd also like to thank Warb and Adrian and his lovely wife and daughters for patiently waiting for us so we could begin our preparations for Old Bar.
But that's another story........
Cheers & God Bless
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